[WSIS CS-Plenary] WSIS CS statement - a word of thanks..

Mon Dec 19 11:37:17 GMT 2005

I first would like to thank Ralf and his team for the hard work  
involved in putting together the CS statement. Co-ordinating such a   
drafting effort is never easy - thanks.

that being said , it a shame to hear that the disabilities WG/Caucus  
feels its views have not been fully incorporated.   Their views  
should not have to  be left to "another page", one that might not be  
read at all. This is most unfortunate.

At this point, with a text already issued - the best that can be done  
is to make sure there is a pointer, a prominent one at that, to the  
location where the disabilities own statement can be found.

Let's make sure this very specific constituency does get a chance to  
get included from the beginning  next time around (whenever that occurs)

MERRY CHRISTMAS / HAPPY HOLIDAYS / HAPPY NEW YEAR

regards,

Robert

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Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org>

On 18-Dec-05, at 7:25 PM, zara wrote:

> Dear Elizabeth,
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> I believe you misunderstood me when I said I was trying to follow.   
> I have read all those posts but still felt I was missing information.
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> Regardless, the point of my post was to propose to include a  
> definition at the beginning of the heath section so as to make  
> clear what we were referring to, “we” being the operative word.  As  
> Civil Society members, I believe that we have the right and a duty  
> to propose alternatives to what are the current given norms, indeed  
> that is a big part of our work, proposing and promoting  
> alternatives so as to ameliorate the conditions of those we serve.   
> If we did not, then what would be the point of participating in  
> this whole process to begin with.
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> Therefore, I repose my question :  Can we not include a preambule  
> or opening sentence to the heath section defining what “our”  
> definition of health is (such as the proposition included in my  
> previous message) ? Would that not then answer preoccupations  
> concerning the importance of including all aspects of this issue ?
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> Catherine
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> From: pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org] On  
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Carll, PhD
> Sent: December 18, 2005 7:10 PM
> To: croy at contact.net
> Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; plenary at wsis-cs.org; WSIS-CT; wsishealth-and- 
> ict at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Pwd] [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version  
> 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
> Importance: High
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> Dear Catherine and all,
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> I can understand your confusion if you have not been following the  
> issues.  And therefore to help clarify I believe the posts below  
> identify most clearly the issues and the need to insure that  
> resources are allocated for both physical  and mental health.   I  
> am not aware of any country which is as enlightened to the degree  
> that it recognizes that physical and mental health  should be  
> seamless and part of primary care as has been put forth by Sylvis  
> and Kicki.  Most countries will not allocate resources which are  
> not identified.
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> For example, women who have been raped and tortured as a by product  
> of war and consider suicide as an alternative to having to face the  
> reality of returning to their home and being ostracized, need  
> intensive mental health services and psychosocial support.  This  
> has nothing to do with disability, but can affect anyone person who  
> may be living in an unfortunate situation of war and conflict.   
> Mental health issues and services affect the entire poulation, not  
> only the disability community.
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> I still would like to hear of any country that has the seamless  
> services for physical and mental health, to which Kicki and Sylvia  
> have referred.
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> Elizabeth
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsishealth-and- 
> ict at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Carll, PhD
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:45 PM
> To: Kicki Nordström; Sylvia Caras; Hiroshi Kawamura
> Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; plenary at wsis-cs.org; WSIS-CT; wsishealth-and- 
> ict at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS  
> CS statement
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> Dear Kicki, Sylvia, and all
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> Because we may believe that health is seamless and mental health  
> must be
> integrated into primary care does not mean that is the current  
> reality.
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> Perhaps I am overlooking something here and if you could list the  
> countries
> which have a seamless service for physical and mental health and  
> treat them
> as part of primary care, it would very helpful in understanding your
> perspective.
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> Elizabeth
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino at iris.se]
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:29 PM
> To: Sylvia Caras; Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura
> Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: SV: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
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> Dear Sylvia and Elisabeth,
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> Of course: "Because health is seamless, and those services must be
> integrated into primary care."
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> This is also what IDC has proposed for the Article on Health in the
> convention of the rights of PWD.
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> Times moves and use of wordings changes over time. Now  time have  
> come to
> reform the term 2physical and mental health" and see this as  
> "health" since
> it is just the same.
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> Kind regards
> Kicki
> Kicki Nordström
> World Blind Union
> Immediate Past  President
> c/o SRF Iris AB
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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Sylvia Caras [mailto:sylvia at peoplewho.org]
> Skickat: den 18 december 2005 21:15
> Till: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura
> Kopia: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
> Ämne: RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
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> Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote on 11:58 AM 12/18/05:
> >I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health should
> >not be separated
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> But you just separated them in that sentence!
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> >approximately 40% of the world's countries have no articulated mental
> >health policy, and over 30% have no mental health programs.
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> Because health is seamless.
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> >disparity in services for mental health
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> Because health is seamless, and those services must be integrated into
> primary care.
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> Sylvia
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