[WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: WSIS CS statement - a word of thanks..
Elizabeth Carll, PhD
ecarll at optonline.net
Tue Dec 20 02:01:22 GMT 2005
Robert and All,
Certainly agree that Ralf and others have done an extraordinary job, as
mentioned before no easy task consolidating so many diverse views.
As stated before I was surprised that the contributions from the Disability
Caucus were not included and I did not realize that they were not submitted
in time based on reading another post, as I must have seen them on the
Disability listserv. I would hope that their information would be included
as well, as all groups should be represented.
Best regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Guerra [mailto:rguerra at lists.privaterra.org]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:37 AM
To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
Cc: 'Elizabeth Carll, PhD'; Pwd at wsis-cs.org; 'WSIS-CT';
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Subject: WSIS CS statement - a word of thanks..
I first would like to thank Ralf and his team for the hard work involved
in putting together the CS statement. Co-ordinating such a drafting effort
is never easy - thanks.
that being said , it a shame to hear that the disabilities WG/Caucus feels
its views have not been fully incorporated. Their views should not have to
be left to "another page", one that might not be read at all. This is most
unfortunate.
At this point, with a text already issued - the best that can be done is
to make sure there is a pointer, a prominent one at that, to the location
where the disabilities own statement can be found.
Let's make sure this very specific constituency does get a chance to get
included from the beginning next time around (whenever that occurs)
MERRY CHRISTMAS / HAPPY HOLIDAYS / HAPPY NEW YEAR
regards,
Robert
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On 18-Dec-05, at 7:25 PM, zara wrote:
Dear Elizabeth,
I believe you misunderstood me when I said I was trying to follow. I
have read all those posts but still felt I was missing information.
Regardless, the point of my post was to propose to include a definition
at the beginning of the heath section so as to make clear what we were
referring to, “we” being the operative word. As Civil Society members, I
believe that we have the right and a duty to propose alternatives to what
are the current given norms, indeed that is a big part of our work,
proposing and promoting alternatives so as to ameliorate the conditions of
those we serve. If we did not, then what would be the point of
participating in this whole process to begin with.
Therefore, I repose my question : Can we not include a preambule or
opening sentence to the heath section defining what “our” definition of
health is (such as the proposition included in my previous message) ? Would
that not then answer preoccupations concerning the importance of including
all aspects of this issue ?
Catherine
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From: pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Carll, PhD
Sent: December 18, 2005 7:10 PM
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Subject: [Pwd] [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3
of WSIS CS statement
Importance: High
Dear Catherine and all,
I can understand your confusion if you have not been following the
issues. And therefore to help clarify I believe the posts below identify
most clearly the issues and the need to insure that resources are allocated
for both physical and mental health. I am not aware of any country which
is as enlightened to the degree that it recognizes that physical and mental
health should be seamless and part of primary care as has been put forth by
Sylvis and Kicki. Most countries will not allocate resources which are not
identified.
For example, women who have been raped and tortured as a by product of
war and consider suicide as an alternative to having to face the reality of
returning to their home and being ostracized, need intensive mental health
services and psychosocial support. This has nothing to do with disability,
but can affect anyone person who may be living in an unfortunate situation
of war and conflict. Mental health issues and services affect the entire
poulation, not only the disability community.
I still would like to hear of any country that has the seamless services
for physical and mental health, to which Kicki and Sylvia have referred.
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Carll, PhD
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:45 PM
To: Kicki Nordström; Sylvia Caras; Hiroshi Kawamura
Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; plenary at wsis-cs.org; WSIS-CT;
wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS
statement
Dear Kicki, Sylvia, and all
Because we may believe that health is seamless and mental health must
be
integrated into primary care does not mean that is the current
reality.
Perhaps I am overlooking something here and if you could list the
countries
which have a seamless service for physical and mental health and treat
them
as part of primary care, it would very helpful in understanding your
perspective.
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino at iris.se]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:29 PM
To: Sylvia Caras; Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura
Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
Subject: SV: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
Dear Sylvia and Elisabeth,
Of course: "Because health is seamless, and those services must be
integrated into primary care."
This is also what IDC has proposed for the Article on Health in the
convention of the rights of PWD.
Times moves and use of wordings changes over time. Now time have come
to
reform the term 2physical and mental health" and see this as "health"
since
it is just the same.
Kind regards
Kicki
Kicki Nordström
World Blind Union
Immediate Past President
c/o SRF Iris AB
122 88 Enskede
Sweden
Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000
Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20
Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19
E-mail: kino at iris.se
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Sylvia Caras [mailto:sylvia at peoplewho.org]
Skickat: den 18 december 2005 21:15
Till: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura
Kopia: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
Ämne: RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote on 11:58 AM 12/18/05:
>I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health should
>not be separated
But you just separated them in that sentence!
>approximately 40% of the world's countries have no articulated mental
>health policy, and over 30% have no mental health programs.
Because health is seamless.
>disparity in services for mental health
Because health is seamless, and those services must be integrated into
primary care.
Sylvia
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