[Pwd] [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement

Mon Dec 19 00:25:21 GMT 2005

Dear Elizabeth,

I believe you misunderstood me when I said I was trying to follow.  I have read all those posts but still felt I was missing information.

Regardless, the point of my post was to propose to include a definition at the beginning of the heath section so as to make clear what we were referring to, “we” being the operative word.  As Civil Society members, I believe that we have the right and a duty to propose alternatives to what are the current given norms, indeed that is a big part of our work, proposing and promoting alternatives so as to ameliorate the conditions of those we serve.  If we did not, then what would be the point of participating in this whole process to begin with.

Therefore, I repose my question :  Can we not include a preambule or opening sentence to the heath section defining what “our” definition of health is (such as the proposition included in my previous message) ? Would that not then answer preoccupations concerning the importance of including all aspects of this issue ?

Catherine

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From: pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Carll, PhD
Sent: December 18, 2005 7:10 PM
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Subject: [Pwd] [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [WSIS-CT] almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement
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Dear Catherine and all,

I can understand your confusion if you have not been following the issues.  And therefore to help clarify I believe the posts below identify most clearly the issues and the need to insure that resources are allocated for both physical  and mental health.   I am not aware of any country which is as enlightened to the degree that it recognizes that physical and mental health  should be seamless and part of primary care as has been put forth by Sylvis and Kicki.  Most countries will not allocate resources which are not identified.

For example, women who have been raped and tortured as a by product of war and consider suicide as an alternative to having to face the reality of returning to their home and being ostracized, need intensive mental health services and psychosocial support.  This has nothing to do with disability, but can affect anyone person who may be living in an unfortunate situation of war and conflict.  Mental health issues and services affect the entire poulation, not only the disability community.

I still would like to hear of any country that has the seamless services for physical and mental health, to which Kicki and Sylvia have referred.

Elizabeth

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From: wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Carll, PhD
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:45 PM
To: Kicki Nordström; Sylvia Caras; Hiroshi Kawamura
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Subject: [wsishealth-and-ict] RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement

Dear Kicki, Sylvia, and all

Because we may believe that health is seamless and mental health must be
integrated into primary care does not mean that is the current reality.

Perhaps I am overlooking something here and if you could list the countries
which have a seamless service for physical and mental health and treat them
as part of primary care, it would very helpful in understanding your
perspective.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Kicki Nordström [mailto:kino at iris.se]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:29 PM
To: Sylvia Caras; Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Hiroshi Kawamura
Cc: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
Subject: SV: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement

Dear Sylvia and Elisabeth,

Of course: "Because health is seamless, and those services must be
integrated into primary care."

This is also what IDC has proposed for the Article on Health in the
convention of the rights of PWD.

Times moves and use of wordings changes over time. Now  time have come to
reform the term 2physical and mental health" and see this as "health" since
it is just the same.

Kind regards
Kicki
Kicki Nordström
World Blind Union
Immediate Past  President
c/o SRF Iris AB
122 88 Enskede
Sweden
Tel: +46 (0)8 399 000
Fax: +46 (0)8 725 99 20
Cell: +46 (0)70 766 18 19
E-mail: kino at iris.se

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Sylvia Caras [mailto:sylvia at peoplewho.org]
Skickat: den 18 december 2005 21:15
Till: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Kicki Nordström; Hiroshi Kawamura
Kopia: Pwd at wsis-cs.org; wsishealth-and-ict at yahoogroups.com
Ämne: RE: almost final version 4.3 of WSIS CS statement

Elizabeth Carll, PhD wrote on 11:58 AM 12/18/05:
>I couldn't agree with you more that physical and mental health should
>not be separated

But you just separated them in that sentence!

>approximately 40% of the world's countries have no articulated mental
>health policy, and over 30% have no mental health programs.

Because health is seamless.

>disparity in services for mental health

Because health is seamless, and those services must be integrated into
primary care.

Sylvia

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