[WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Censorship on the New Generation Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec

Thu Dec 11 14:21:53 GMT 2003

It is good to show people how the I* society (aka The Big Lie Society) operates.
They will stop at nothing to promote their agenda. They are the Taliban of the Internet.
Their non-profit shams continue to grow in cash reserves. They censor the name space
and restrain trade. They try to sweep issues like the IPv6 Privacy Problem under the rug.
Because the I* society is so tightly aligned with the U.S. DOD Military Industrial Complex
they now use those groups to sell their IPv6 agenda. IPv6 will be forced down people's
throats from the barrel of a gun. The I* society is now well-funded via .ORG taxes.
http://www.dailychanges.com
They will censor what they please and then tell "the Big Lie" over and over to make sure
that they remain in control of the name spaces and the address spaces and the funding.

Jim Fleming
http://www.IPv8.info

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
To: "wsis-cs-plenary" <plenary at wsis-cs.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:57 AM
Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Censorship on the New Generation Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec

> FYI .
> 
> regards,
> veni
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Axel Clauberg (aclauber) [mailto:aclauber at cisco.com]
> >Sent: 10 December 2003 12:10
> >To: Tim Chown; Latif LADID; vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
> >Cc: Rosa Delgado; matthew.ford at bt.com; brc at zurich.ibm.com;
> >bosco.fernandes at siemens.com; patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com;
> >jordi.palet at consulintel.es; Patrick Grossetete (pgrosset);
> >plzak at arin.net; axel.pawlik at ripe.net
> >Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
> >
> >
> >As a (kind of) neutral person, let me add some comments, even though I
> >believe this discussion is really ridiculous and should be stopped
> >immediately.
> >
> >First of all, putting events like this together has never been done in a
> >real democratic way, otherwise we probably would have never had any good
> >event...
> >
> >We had Alberto presenting at several IPv6 events over this year, and
> >having listened to both Matt and Alberto, there's absolutely no doubt
> >that Latif made the right decision for this audience.
> >
> >Feel free to forward as appropriate.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Axel
> >
> >--
> >Axel Clauberg, Sr. Manager Consulting Engineering Team, Cisco Systems
> >EMEA,
> >Hansaallee 249, D-40549 Duesseldorf, Germany, aclauber at cisco.com
> >Phone: +49-211-52029-175, Fax: +49-1212-513084983, Mobile:
> >+49-171-8614851
> >SMS/Pager: axel-sms at cisco.com
> >
> >Tim Chown wrote:
> > > I also sent this to the TF-SC list:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I find it odd that Latif would have threatened a boycott of
> > > WSIS when he had not planned to attend anyway (due to a prior
> > > commitment to the NAv6 Summit in Washington).
> > >
> > > That aside, this is an important issue and I would make a
> > > couple of key
> > > points:
> > >
> > > 1.  The TF has given very serious consideration to privacy
> > > issues, and has
> > >     published very openly discussions with the Article 29
> > > working party in
> > >     this area:
> > >         http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/wp58_en.pdf
> > >         http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/Article29_v1_2.pdf
> > >
> > > http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/030225IPv6TF-Statemen
> > >     tArt29-03.pdf All these documents are listed in the public
> > > document
> > > section of the
> > >     EU IPv6 TF web site.   They include the Article 29
> > > concerns, and the TF
> > >     response, which Alberto agreed to (and indeed was very
> > > happy with).
> > >
> > > 2.  At WSIS the EC IST IPv6 Cluster chair Mat Ford gave a good talk on
> > >     the privacy issues.   He also covered other security
> > > issues like MIPv6,
> > >     CGA and port scanning.
> > >
> > > As it turned our WSIS attendance was poor for the IPv6
> > > session, but that is a separate issue for the TF to consider
> > > how to inform and educate the WSIS community on IPv6.
> > >
> > > [Feel free to forward this info to Veni Markovski as he seems
> > > to be the  person with this concern, or to anyone else who is
> > > interested]
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:20:45PM +0100, Latif LADID wrote:
> > >> Rosa,
> > >>
> > >> FYI, I have sent this to the Task Force steering committee. Please
> > >> forward to WSIS CS Plenary list if you find it necessary
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Latif
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Latif LADID [mailto:latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu]
> > >> Sent: 09 December 2003 21:17
> > >> To: tf-sc at ipv6tf.org
> > >> Cc: Vint Cerf
> > >> Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> > >> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Folks,
> > >>
> > >> The European Commission IPv6 Task Force has organised this event and
> > >> yes Pascal was proposed to me as speaker on privacy issues and I have
> > >> opted for a task force expert member Mat Ford to speak on security
> > >> and privacy with authority.
> > >>
> > >> As chairman of the European Commission IPv6 Task Force, I am
> > >> accountable primarily for quality and accuracy of the message from
> > >> the European IPv6 researcher community.
> > >>
> > >> In Prep-Com2, I was misquoted from my speech that IPv6 has a security
> > >> problem and it's published on the WSIS web page. I have gone back to
> > >> them many times to correct this and my emails remain unanswered. This
> > >> was a strong lesson to me to have the right message carried by the
> > >> right people.
> > >>
> > >> Yes choosing qualified speakers can be seen as undemocratic and
> > >> that's a risk I am willing to take.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Latif
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: vinton g. cerf [mailto:vinton.g.cerf at mci.com]
> > >> Sent: 09 December 2003 19:36
> > >> To: Latif LADID
> > >> Subject: Fwd: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> > >> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> > >> Importance: High
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> can you elaborate?
> > >>
> > >> vint
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:41:01 +0200
> > >>> From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
> > >>> Subject: Fwd: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> > >>> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> > >>> X-Sender: veni at 198.111.183.129 (Unverified)
> > >>> To: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf at mci.com>
> > >>> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1
> > >>> X-KOI8-Plugin-Info: v2.0.43
> > >>> Original-recipient: rfc822;vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am writing to inform you that during the organization of the
> > >>>> session on Ipv6, organized jointly between the European Union IPv6
> > >>>> Task Force and the Internet Society, that will take place on the
> > >>>> 9th December 2003, it was planned to include Dr Alberto Escudero
> > >>>> Pascual in the panel of speakers for the day. Dr Escudero Pascual
> > >>>> would have discussed the issues relating to the protection of
> > >>>> privacy in Ipv6 networks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Unfortunately, due to pressures but also threats of boycott from Mr
> > >>>> Latif Ladid, the organizers of the conference decided to remove Dr
> > >>>> Escudero Pascual from the panel. One can wonder about the real
> > >>>> motivations of Mr Ladid relating to his will to obscure the
> > >>>> discussion about privacy protection issues in the context of Ipv6.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is interesting to note that it is not necessary to live in an
> > >>>> undemocratic country to suffer from censorship. It is even more
> > >>>> worrying to observe that, even in the context of events organized
> > >>>> by Civil Society, one can easily excert such pressures at the
> > >>>> detriment of the objectivity of the debate on this subject.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It seems to me that we have the full responsibility, as the
> > >>>> principal component of Civil Society, to represent as well as we
> > >>>> can citizens, the protection of their interests and therefore their
> > >>>> privacy. If we do not, then who will?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alberto Escudero Pascual Web site
> > >>>> http://www.it.kth.se/~aep/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best regards
> > >>>> Stephane Koch
> > >>>> President, Internet Society Geneva
> > >>>>
> > >>>> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> > >>>> stephane koch Internet Society Geneva
> > >>>> President
> > >>>> Rue des Corps-Saints 4
> > >>>> 1201 Geneva
> > >>>> Switzerland
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fax: +41 22 731 6007
> > >>>> Mobile: +41 79 607 57 33
> > >>>> Email:  president at isoc.ch
> > >>>> ICQ: 21021944
> > >>>> PGP Fingerprint: 6A46 CC2C 0B6E 6024 86AE D989 42E8 992A 1DA4 DE05
> > >>>>
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> www.isocgva.ch (Local) www.isoc.ecc.org (Europe)
> > >>>> www.isoc.org (World)
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> Internet Society Mission Statement:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "To assure the open development, evolution and use of the Internet
> > >>>> for the benefit of all people throughout the world."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> More on: www.isoc.org/isoc/mission/
> > >>>> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >> Vint Cerf
> > >> SVP Technology Strategy
> > >> MCI
> > >> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> > >> Ashburn, VA 20147
> > >> 703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
> > >> 703 886 0047 fax
> > >> vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
> > >> www.mci.com/cerfsup
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rosa Delgado [mailto:rosa at delgado.aero]
> > >> Sent: 08 December 2003 14:55
> > >> To: matthew.ford at bt.com; tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > >> Cc: brc at zurich.ibm.com; bosco.fernandes at siemens.com;
> > >> patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com; jordi.palet at consulintel.es;
> > >> aclauber at cisco.com; pgrosset at cisco.com; plzak at arin.net;
> > >> axel.pawlik at ripe.net; latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu
> > >> Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Matt,
> > >>
> > >> Get well ! I will be on room Saleve in the morning too because of the
> > >> How Internet newt works? ISOC workshop
> > >>
> > >> See you tommorrow! The registration desk is open tonight only until
> > >> 18:00 and as from tommorrow until 20:00 (no good for us)
> > >>
> > >> Regs/Rosa
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: matthew.ford at bt.com [mailto:matthew.ford at bt.com]
> > >> Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 10:53
> > >> To: tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk; rosa at delgado.aero
> > >> Cc: brc at zurich.ibm.com; bosco.fernandes at siemens.com;
> > >> patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com; jordi.palet at consulintel.es;
> > >> aclauber at cisco.com; pgrosset at cisco.com; plzak at arin.net;
> > >> axel.pawlik at ripe.net; latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu
> > >> Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I've currently got a raging cold, but am planning to travel to Geneva
> > >> today anyway in the hope that I won't feel too awful tomorrow. I
> > >> won't be attending this evening's dinner, but will rest at my hotel
> > >> instead (please cancel my dinner place Rosa). I hope Axel or Rosa
> > >> will cover the rationale piece as they are up first.
> > >>
> > >> Mat
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> > >>> Sent: 08 December 2003 08:05
> > >>> To: Rosa Delgado
> > >>> Cc: 'Brian E Carpenter'; 'Bosco Fernandes'; 'Patrick Cocquet';
> > >>> jordi.palet at consulintel.es; Ford,M,Mat,XGH5 FORDM5 R;
> > >>> aclauber at cisco.com; 'Patrick Grossetete'; 'Latif LADID'; 'Ray
> > >>> Plzak'; 'Axel Pawlik' Subject: Re: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th
> > >>> December, 2003)
> > >>>
> > >>> OK, I'll have to keep to my original topic then if there is no known
> > >>> change of plan to accomodate Brian's absence.   One of you at the
> > >>> dinner will have to take on the role of 1st talk and the IPv6
> > >>> rationale material.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tim
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:34:01AM +0100, Rosa Delgado  wrote:
> > >>>> we should discuss tonight of final programme, I leave it up to the
> > >>>> chairs to co-ordinate but, in principle, I would think we have
> > >>>> more time for panel discussion less time constraints for speakers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regs/Rosa
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 01:09
> > >>>> To: Rosa Delgado
> > >>>> Cc: 'Brian E Carpenter'; 'Bosco Fernandes'; 'Patrick Cocquet';
> > >>>> jordi.palet at consulintel.es; matthew.ford at bt.com;
> > >>>> aclauber at cisco.com; 'Patrick Grossetete'; 'Latif LADID'; 'Ray
> > >>>> Plzak'; 'Axel Pawlik' Subject: Re: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th
> > >>>> December, 2003)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Can someone confirm the revised agenda in Brian's absence, please?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We need to make sure things flow nicely... and that we don't *all*
> > >>>> waste a few slides of our 15-20 mins each on what IPv6 is :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:58:57PM +0100, Rosa Delgado  wrote:
> > >>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As the event approaches, I want to know if someone did not get the
> > >>>>> confirmation of their registration to attend as speaker the
> > >>>>> event? I am taking care for Brian, if somebody else still had
> > >>>>> problems, please let me know.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am back to Geneva, so you will be receiving news from me
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We have also planned a fondue dinner on the 8th December (20:30,
> > >>>>> near by the ITU building)? Is still ok for the people are
> > >>>>> arriving the night before?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regs/Rosa
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> **********************************
> > >>>>> Hi all,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The European Union IPv6 Task Force and the Internet Society are
> > >>>>> pleased to announce the Next Generation Internet (IPv6) Workshop,
> > >>>>> to be held within the framework of the World Summit of the
> > >>>>> Information Society (WSIS), 9th December 2003 in Geneva. See
> > >>>>> http://www.eu.ipv6tf.org/in/wsis.htm (the complete agenda is
> > >>>>> already available).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This workshop aims to raise awareness on Internet Protocol
> > >>>>> version 6 (IPv6). Educate WSIS stakeholders, in particular
> > >>>>> Governments and civil
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> society from developed and developing nations, on the new Internet
> > >>>>> infrastructure and opportunities for non-for-profit and commercial
> > >>>>> entities. It ensures that the concerned authorities start to think
> > >>>>> about designing and adapting the current environment to a new
> > >>>>> "regulatory framework" that enables to convert the new
> > >>>>> possibilities into business opportunities. It also informs on
> > >>>>> IPv6 current status, regional developments and deployments
> > >>>>> worldwide ("road-map"),  and the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> expected evolution. Lastly, it raises awareness on the benefits
> > >>>>> and implications of IPv6 for civil society, in network and
> > >>>>> information security and privacy.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> With more than 600 millions users connected to the Internet and
> > >>>>> its explosive growth in the last few years, the IP addresses space
> > >>>>> is becoming scarce, in particular in developing countries. With
> > >>>>> Internet services being introduced in wireless and broadband
> > >>>>> communications, expectations for 2005 are that more than 1 billion
> > >>>>> users and thousands
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> of new applications will need to be connected to the Internet.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The current protocol, named Internet Protocol version 4 (or IPv4)
> > >>>>> is showing limitations. To overcome these, Internet Protocol
> > >>>>> version 6 (IPv6) was created and conceived as the successor of
> > >>>>> IPv4. IPv6 was developed by the Internet Engineering Task Force
> > >>>>> (IETF) since 1995 (http://www.ietf.org).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Finally, it is clear, that "IPv4" does not respond anymore to
> > >>>>> civil society's newest requirements.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> To attend this workshop, and this includes speakers, you need to
> > >>>>> register
> > >>>>> (http://www.ict-4d.org/Marketplace/en/Visitors/Registration/).
> > >>>>> Unless you are already accredited to the Summit by your
> > >>>>> company/organization/international organization. Entry fees is 20
> > >>>>> SF/day.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please, forward this email to all your contacts.
> 
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