[WSIS CS-Plenary] Fwd: Censorship on the New Generation Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec

Thu Dec 11 11:57:17 GMT 2003

FYI .

regards,
veni

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Axel Clauberg (aclauber) [mailto:aclauber at cisco.com]
>Sent: 10 December 2003 12:10
>To: Tim Chown; Latif LADID; vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
>Cc: Rosa Delgado; matthew.ford at bt.com; brc at zurich.ibm.com;
>bosco.fernandes at siemens.com; patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com;
>jordi.palet at consulintel.es; Patrick Grossetete (pgrosset);
>plzak at arin.net; axel.pawlik at ripe.net
>Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
>
>
>As a (kind of) neutral person, let me add some comments, even though I
>believe this discussion is really ridiculous and should be stopped
>immediately.
>
>First of all, putting events like this together has never been done in a
>real democratic way, otherwise we probably would have never had any good
>event...
>
>We had Alberto presenting at several IPv6 events over this year, and
>having listened to both Matt and Alberto, there's absolutely no doubt
>that Latif made the right decision for this audience.
>
>Feel free to forward as appropriate.
>
>Cheers,
>Axel
>
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>Tim Chown wrote:
> > I also sent this to the TF-SC list:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I find it odd that Latif would have threatened a boycott of
> > WSIS when he had not planned to attend anyway (due to a prior
> > commitment to the NAv6 Summit in Washington).
> >
> > That aside, this is an important issue and I would make a
> > couple of key
> > points:
> >
> > 1.  The TF has given very serious consideration to privacy
> > issues, and has
> >     published very openly discussions with the Article 29
> > working party in
> >     this area:
> >         http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/wp58_en.pdf
> >         http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/Article29_v1_2.pdf
> >
> > http://www.ec.ipv6tf.org/PublicDocuments/030225IPv6TF-Statemen
> >     tArt29-03.pdf All these documents are listed in the public
> > document
> > section of the
> >     EU IPv6 TF web site.   They include the Article 29
> > concerns, and the TF
> >     response, which Alberto agreed to (and indeed was very
> > happy with).
> >
> > 2.  At WSIS the EC IST IPv6 Cluster chair Mat Ford gave a good talk on
> >     the privacy issues.   He also covered other security
> > issues like MIPv6,
> >     CGA and port scanning.
> >
> > As it turned our WSIS attendance was poor for the IPv6
> > session, but that is a separate issue for the TF to consider
> > how to inform and educate the WSIS community on IPv6.
> >
> > [Feel free to forward this info to Veni Markovski as he seems
> > to be the  person with this concern, or to anyone else who is
> > interested]
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:20:45PM +0100, Latif LADID wrote:
> >> Rosa,
> >>
> >> FYI, I have sent this to the Task Force steering committee. Please
> >> forward to WSIS CS Plenary list if you find it necessary
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Latif
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Latif LADID [mailto:latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu]
> >> Sent: 09 December 2003 21:17
> >> To: tf-sc at ipv6tf.org
> >> Cc: Vint Cerf
> >> Subject: FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> >> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> >>
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> The European Commission IPv6 Task Force has organised this event and
> >> yes Pascal was proposed to me as speaker on privacy issues and I have
> >> opted for a task force expert member Mat Ford to speak on security
> >> and privacy with authority.
> >>
> >> As chairman of the European Commission IPv6 Task Force, I am
> >> accountable primarily for quality and accuracy of the message from
> >> the European IPv6 researcher community.
> >>
> >> In Prep-Com2, I was misquoted from my speech that IPv6 has a security
> >> problem and it's published on the WSIS web page. I have gone back to
> >> them many times to correct this and my emails remain unanswered. This
> >> was a strong lesson to me to have the right message carried by the
> >> right people.
> >>
> >> Yes choosing qualified speakers can be seen as undemocratic and
> >> that's a risk I am willing to take.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Latif
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vinton g. cerf [mailto:vinton.g.cerf at mci.com]
> >> Sent: 09 December 2003 19:36
> >> To: Latif LADID
> >> Subject: Fwd: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> >> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> >> Importance: High
> >>
> >>
> >> can you elaborate?
> >>
> >> vint
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:41:01 +0200
> >>> From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
> >>> Subject: Fwd: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Censorship on the New Generation
> >>> Internet (IPv6) Workshop: 9th Dec(13:30-16:30)
> >>> X-Sender: veni at 198.111.183.129 (Unverified)
> >>> To: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf at mci.com>
> >>> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1
> >>> X-KOI8-Plugin-Info: v2.0.43
> >>> Original-recipient: rfc822;vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am writing to inform you that during the organization of the
> >>>> session on Ipv6, organized jointly between the European Union IPv6
> >>>> Task Force and the Internet Society, that will take place on the
> >>>> 9th December 2003, it was planned to include Dr Alberto Escudero
> >>>> Pascual in the panel of speakers for the day. Dr Escudero Pascual
> >>>> would have discussed the issues relating to the protection of
> >>>> privacy in Ipv6 networks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, due to pressures but also threats of boycott from Mr
> >>>> Latif Ladid, the organizers of the conference decided to remove Dr
> >>>> Escudero Pascual from the panel. One can wonder about the real
> >>>> motivations of Mr Ladid relating to his will to obscure the
> >>>> discussion about privacy protection issues in the context of Ipv6.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is interesting to note that it is not necessary to live in an
> >>>> undemocratic country to suffer from censorship. It is even more
> >>>> worrying to observe that, even in the context of events organized
> >>>> by Civil Society, one can easily excert such pressures at the
> >>>> detriment of the objectivity of the debate on this subject.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems to me that we have the full responsibility, as the
> >>>> principal component of Civil Society, to represent as well as we
> >>>> can citizens, the protection of their interests and therefore their
> >>>> privacy. If we do not, then who will?
> >>>>
> >>>> Alberto Escudero Pascual Web site
> >>>> http://www.it.kth.se/~aep/
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> Stephane Koch
> >>>> President, Internet Society Geneva
> >>>>
> >>>> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> >>>> stephane koch Internet Society Geneva
> >>>> President
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> >>>> 1201 Geneva
> >>>> Switzerland
> >>>>
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> >>>> Email:  president at isoc.ch
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>
> >> Vint Cerf
> >> SVP Technology Strategy
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> >> vinton.g.cerf at mci.com
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rosa Delgado [mailto:rosa at delgado.aero]
> >> Sent: 08 December 2003 14:55
> >> To: matthew.ford at bt.com; tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> >> Cc: brc at zurich.ibm.com; bosco.fernandes at siemens.com;
> >> patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com; jordi.palet at consulintel.es;
> >> aclauber at cisco.com; pgrosset at cisco.com; plzak at arin.net;
> >> axel.pawlik at ripe.net; latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu
> >> Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> Get well ! I will be on room Saleve in the morning too because of the
> >> How Internet newt works? ISOC workshop
> >>
> >> See you tommorrow! The registration desk is open tonight only until
> >> 18:00 and as from tommorrow until 20:00 (no good for us)
> >>
> >> Regs/Rosa
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: matthew.ford at bt.com [mailto:matthew.ford at bt.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 10:53
> >> To: tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk; rosa at delgado.aero
> >> Cc: brc at zurich.ibm.com; bosco.fernandes at siemens.com;
> >> patrick.cocquet at 6wind.com; jordi.palet at consulintel.es;
> >> aclauber at cisco.com; pgrosset at cisco.com; plzak at arin.net;
> >> axel.pawlik at ripe.net; latif.ladid at village.uunet.lu
> >> Subject: RE: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th December, 2003)
> >>
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I've currently got a raging cold, but am planning to travel to Geneva
> >> today anyway in the hope that I won't feel too awful tomorrow. I
> >> won't be attending this evening's dinner, but will rest at my hotel
> >> instead (please cancel my dinner place Rosa). I hope Axel or Rosa
> >> will cover the rationale piece as they are up first.
> >>
> >> Mat
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> >>> Sent: 08 December 2003 08:05
> >>> To: Rosa Delgado
> >>> Cc: 'Brian E Carpenter'; 'Bosco Fernandes'; 'Patrick Cocquet';
> >>> jordi.palet at consulintel.es; Ford,M,Mat,XGH5 FORDM5 R;
> >>> aclauber at cisco.com; 'Patrick Grossetete'; 'Latif LADID'; 'Ray
> >>> Plzak'; 'Axel Pawlik' Subject: Re: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th
> >>> December, 2003)
> >>>
> >>> OK, I'll have to keep to my original topic then if there is no known
> >>> change of plan to accomodate Brian's absence.   One of you at the
> >>> dinner will have to take on the role of 1st talk and the IPv6
> >>> rationale material.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:34:01AM +0100, Rosa Delgado  wrote:
> >>>> we should discuss tonight of final programme, I leave it up to the
> >>>> chairs to co-ordinate but, in principle, I would think we have
> >>>> more time for panel discussion less time constraints for speakers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regs/Rosa
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 01:09
> >>>> To: Rosa Delgado
> >>>> Cc: 'Brian E Carpenter'; 'Bosco Fernandes'; 'Patrick Cocquet';
> >>>> jordi.palet at consulintel.es; matthew.ford at bt.com;
> >>>> aclauber at cisco.com; 'Patrick Grossetete'; 'Latif LADID'; 'Ray
> >>>> Plzak'; 'Axel Pawlik' Subject: Re: WSIS even - IPv6 workshop (9th
> >>>> December, 2003)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can someone confirm the revised agenda in Brian's absence, please?
> >>>>
> >>>> We need to make sure things flow nicely... and that we don't *all*
> >>>> waste a few slides of our 15-20 mins each on what IPv6 is :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:58:57PM +0100, Rosa Delgado  wrote:
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As the event approaches, I want to know if someone did not get the
> >>>>> confirmation of their registration to attend as speaker the
> >>>>> event? I am taking care for Brian, if somebody else still had
> >>>>> problems, please let me know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am back to Geneva, so you will be receiving news from me
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have also planned a fondue dinner on the 8th December (20:30,
> >>>>> near by the ITU building)? Is still ok for the people are
> >>>>> arriving the night before?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regs/Rosa
> >>>>>
> >>>>> **********************************
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The European Union IPv6 Task Force and the Internet Society are
> >>>>> pleased to announce the Next Generation Internet (IPv6) Workshop,
> >>>>> to be held within the framework of the World Summit of the
> >>>>> Information Society (WSIS), 9th December 2003 in Geneva. See
> >>>>> http://www.eu.ipv6tf.org/in/wsis.htm (the complete agenda is
> >>>>> already available).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This workshop aims to raise awareness on Internet Protocol
> >>>>> version 6 (IPv6). Educate WSIS stakeholders, in particular
> >>>>> Governments and civil
> >>>>
> >>>>> society from developed and developing nations, on the new Internet
> >>>>> infrastructure and opportunities for non-for-profit and commercial
> >>>>> entities. It ensures that the concerned authorities start to think
> >>>>> about designing and adapting the current environment to a new
> >>>>> "regulatory framework" that enables to convert the new
> >>>>> possibilities into business opportunities. It also informs on
> >>>>> IPv6 current status, regional developments and deployments
> >>>>> worldwide ("road-map"),  and the
> >>>>
> >>>>> expected evolution. Lastly, it raises awareness on the benefits
> >>>>> and implications of IPv6 for civil society, in network and
> >>>>> information security and privacy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With more than 600 millions users connected to the Internet and
> >>>>> its explosive growth in the last few years, the IP addresses space
> >>>>> is becoming scarce, in particular in developing countries. With
> >>>>> Internet services being introduced in wireless and broadband
> >>>>> communications, expectations for 2005 are that more than 1 billion
> >>>>> users and thousands
> >>>>
> >>>>> of new applications will need to be connected to the Internet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The current protocol, named Internet Protocol version 4 (or IPv4)
> >>>>> is showing limitations. To overcome these, Internet Protocol
> >>>>> version 6 (IPv6) was created and conceived as the successor of
> >>>>> IPv4. IPv6 was developed by the Internet Engineering Task Force
> >>>>> (IETF) since 1995 (http://www.ietf.org).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally, it is clear, that "IPv4" does not respond anymore to
> >>>>> civil society's newest requirements.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To attend this workshop, and this includes speakers, you need to
> >>>>> register
> >>>>> (http://www.ict-4d.org/Marketplace/en/Visitors/Registration/).
> >>>>> Unless you are already accredited to the Summit by your
> >>>>> company/organization/international organization. Entry fees is 20
> >>>>> SF/day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please, forward this email to all your contacts.