[WSIS CS-Plenary] Answer to the North Amercan CS representative

[malik khan]

Dear All
Greetings
I pointed to all of you there was no election and people  use authoeritrian
way to address wyhile at the same levwl.  .We all are  NGO no boss  here
please.
Dr. Malik Khan


On 10/28/06, djilali benamrane <dbenamrane at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello Liss,
> I hope you can read and understand my message !
> Merci Liss pour ce long et interessant message.
> Il faut plusieurs minutes pour des non anglophones
> pour déchiffrer les cotations et les non cotations.
> Je j'aimerais ajouter pour ce qui s'est passé à
> l'UNESCO Paris c'est que nous avons voulu profiter
> d'une opportunité où les conditions étaient favorables
> à la société civile pour prendre acte et reserrer les
> liens, avec des rencontres tous les soirs.
> Il n'a jamais été dans nos intentions de nous
> substituer aux structures existant ou qui ont existé,
> eencore opérationnelles ou non.
> C'est quand même incroyable que dès qu'une initiatives
> est prises hors de celles et de ceux qui se prennent
> pour les ayant droits de droit divin, cela suscite les
> foudres.
> Nous ne sommes pas dans une logique axe du bien contre
> axe du mal. De grâce remobilisons nos efforts parce
> que la bataille est loin d'être gagnée.
> Firndly yours
> Djilali
> --- Liss Jeffrey <lissjeffrey at sympatico.ca> a écrit :
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> > Hey all:
> >
> > These are transitional times.
> > Francis I am not alone in thanking you for taking
> > action during this
> > transition, when some of us are not so active,
> > and I look forward to further discussion of the
> > substance of CS positions.
> > Of course we need to reveiew the legitimacy of the
> > CS decision making. This
> > is not new.
> >
> > But the tone of RG's email is suspect and troubling.
> > quote:
> > again, let me be clear - I don't see myself as being
> > on the CSB anymore.
> > >In fact, no one else should either. It's mandate is
> > up - and subject to
> > >review and reassessment by the larger plenary
> > groups.
> > end quote
> >
> > It would seem once again that this is a position of
> > convenience.
> >
> > On your question, Francis:
> >
> > [quote]
> > no doubt that there was an active and transparent
> > discussion within the North American civil society
> > that is approving
> > unanimously your methods.
> > What were , according to your own words, the
> > processes of consultation,
> > engagement
> > and decision making within the North American Civil
> > Society ?
> > [ end quote]
> >
> > No, this was not the case. It has never been the
> > case, despite suggestions
> > that it should be the case!
> > That is what the eCommons has called for
> > consistently, consultation more
> > broadly as a way towards CS education and
> > mobilization at home, and also
> > legitimacy in the larger arenas , but this has not
> > been done.
> >
> > CS people in Canada have been excluded from the
> > Canadian process, and that
> > is easy to establish because objections to this
> > exclusion are on the public
> > online and offline record.
> > RG has been quite central to this exclusion. That is
> > why it is  ironic and
> > troubling that he now should attack Francis  ( and
> > the original post did
> > read like an attack, however well intentioned its
> > author and others believe
> > it to have been.)
> > Two of our members ( including me) were deliberately
> > dropped from an email
> > list supposedly started for consultation and
> > information on North American
> > and Cdn CS Wsis activities.
> > There have been many other strange and divisive acts
> > undertaken. No answer
> > has ever been given when questions have been raised.
> > It has never been clear, despite questions raised,
> > how we ended up with a
> > rep for North America, Europe ( and?) the ICS, one
> > who also advised the
> > Canadian government formally and informally, and
> > claimed to speak for people
> > who were not consulted.
> >
> > The only time a transparent and independent
> > procedure was conducted in
> > Canada ( for Wsis 1, Geneva), 3 civil society reps
> > were selected based on
> > applications solicited and received,  and RG was
> > *not* one of them. he was
> > not an official member of the Cdn delegation at the
> > prepCom 3, nor at the
> > final Wsis 1 meeting, nor did he withdraw from the
> > CSB when he was not on
> > the delegation, as far as what I understood at the
> > time.
> > After that, the procedure was not so transparent,
> > and complaints about the
> > procedure addressed to Canadian Commission on Unesco
> > went ananswered
> > ( including taking issue with allowing a celebrity
> > johnny come lately to
> > speak for Canadians when there were so many good
> > alternatives available
> > notably on human rights where Canada has
> > credibility, and Tunisia does not).
> >
> > Again, that was then and this is now, and of course
> > it is timely to
> > reconsider CS legitimacy as I have now argued for
> > years in many venues. ( I
> > argued this in Halifax in June, 2003, and in Berlin
> > after Wsis 1, with CS
> > members at a meeting in 2004, arguing that it would
> > hurt our longer term
> > cred to have such limited transparency ourselves,
> > and had argued this before
> > and after becoming a member of the Cdn delegation!)
> > I never could get an
> > answer as to how we ended up with a non accountable
> > rep for such a large
> > territory -- North America, Europe, and ICS: can one
> > be serious!
> > However the way to do that renewal of legitimacy IMO
> > is not to attack people
> > like Francis who are trying to keep things going
> > during the transition.
> > This is particularly problematic when the source  of
> > the critique  cannot
> > withstand scrutinty ( except  rhetorically) on this
> > same issue.
> >
> > Liss Jeffrey, PhD
> > Member Canadian delegation, Wsis 1, Geneva.
> > Director McLuhan global research network,
> > Founding director, eCommons/agora electronique
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