[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [CS Bureau] Review of CSB bureau

Fri Oct 20 19:50:13 BST 2006

Dear Doctor Khan
Would you just precise what -in your opinion- is the age limit for "having ideas" and hence for still being "tolerated" in CS organizations and bodies within the WSIS follow-up process ?
As far as active participation in the very course of WSIS is concerned, I cannot remember having met you. Maybe we never attended the same meetings nor were we in a same room during these four years of intense working ...
Therefore, I'd be graceful for you to be more comprehensive (and motre tolerant) for all these people who did and still do their best, and spend their precious time (like Francis i.a.) for assuming a true and actual CS presence at the different WSIS Follow-up meeetings elsewhere. And thank him for reporting so quickly all these events we coudn't attend for any reasons. 
Jean-Louis Fullsack
President CSDPTT (age not indicated) 

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Dear All
There was no election just hand picked .Real election will bring devoted and dynamic qualified people with support .Money is important but other variable are also needed .Real election will be good I have seen many people left due to lack of   justice, We don't need same 45 faces every where. We need new young generation with ideas and workable and pragmatic solutions. Pro ratio the selection and see who has the majority   representation. Give equal opportunity with out distinctions . I am not asking to select me . But look at the history.
 Thanks  
  Dr Malik Khan

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On 10/19/06, djilali benamrane <dbenamrane at yahoo.com> wrote: 
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> In French bellow,
> Dear Parminder, 
> I totally aggree with your comments. It is supposed to
> be the aim of each of us....
> Unfortunately "US" has not the same meaning for those
> among us who have ressources and support and the
> others.
> I know that many African associations would like to be
> more pro-active but they have not ressources for that
> and we do think how to deal with such a problem.
> Here in paris discussion each Action Lines the
> participants refuse to take into account financial 
> aspects and integrate this problem in multipartnariat
> issues; Governments representatives as well as secteur
> private or UN Agencies prefere to leave this financial
> issues to the good will of donnors, donnors give more 
> easly to bif NGOs ans Associations well known and
> things are turning arrond without end !
> Friendly Yours
> Mon cher Parminder,
> Je partage complètement vos commentaires et analyses.
> Votre vision et vos preoccupations devraient et sont 
> celles de chacune et de chacun d'entre nous.
> Par rapport aux statuts des uns et des autres dans ce
> processus je sais que beaucoup d'association pauvres
> font de leur mieux pour participer sans ressources aux
> processus et lorsqu'on soulève ce problème dans des
> rencontres comme celles de l'Unesco Paris on est
> immédiatement renvoyés  à trouver des solutions dans
> le cadre du multipartenariat et règler les problèmes
> selon des rapports de force, au cas par cas et selon 
> le bon vouloir des donnateurs qui ne donnent en
> priorité qu'aux associations ayant des références et
> des accointances.... c'est le cercle vicieux et nous
> devons lutter pour faire avancer les choses.
> Amicalement 
> Djilali
> --- Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> a écrit :
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it is necessary to keep all kinds of CS 
> > engagements on at all
> > levels, even if at times it is not like what we wish
> > for, in matter of
> > process and substance.... Because the issue is to
> > create spaces, precedents,
> > etc for CS involvement in global policy making. 
> >
> >
> >
> > Having said this, there continues to be important
> > issues of accountabilities
> > that those actors who chose to associate with and
> > sometimes use (for all
> > good purposes, no doubt) the limited legitimacy that 
> > association with WSIS
> > CS, and CS plenary list, like groups afford, must
> > exercise�����
> >
> >
> >
> > For example, those who are recommended by this list
> > and its associated
> > groups to global policy bodies (especially having
> > specifically sought such
> > nominations) need to keep a good interaction with
> > the list, represent the
> > causes which are seen to be backed by the CS, 
> > collaborate internally among
> > the CS nominees on each body (like IGF and GAID)on
> > strategies, and reporting
> > back to the CS from these spaces…… This doesn't
> > often happen, and this
> > compromises the limited possibilities and avenues of
> > viability of this group
> > (CS plenary).
> >
> >
> >
> > Another important issue for the group's viability is
> > to go beyond process 
> > issues, and deal with substantive issues. Then alone
> > can this group become
> > relevant. It often happens that this group comes
> > alive when a process issues
> > – like nominations to GAID, or associating with the 
> > UNESCO process – comes
> > up. However, many strong substantive issues which
> > require the attention of
> > anyone who considers oneself in any way associated
> > with the WSIS or IS civil
> > society come and go, and there is not a murmur on 
> > this list….. We need to
> > gather ourselves around substantive issues for us to
> > remain relevant, and
> > that is important to remain viable.
> >
> >
> >
> > This imperative may also require reaching out to 
> > other CS constituencies and
> > developing issues based alliances, and working on
> > them……
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, for all those who did all the work at Paris.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Parminder
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org 
> > [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-
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> > > cs.org] On Behalf Of djilali benamrane
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:29 PM 
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> > > To: plenary at wsis-cs.org; bureau at wsis-cs.org
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> > > Subject: RE : Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [CS
> > Bureau] Review of 
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> > > CSB bureau
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> > > In French bellow
> >
> > > Amir,
> >
> > > Thank you for your understanding.I really hope it
> > stop
> >
> > > the discussion.
> >
> > > In Paris, and additionnaly to our effort to make,
> > if
> >
> > > possible, more visible the Civile Society, 
> > colleagues
> >
> > > present at this meeting call for the reactivation
> > of
> >
> > > the CSB as it was functionning during the Geneva
> > and
> >
> > > Tunis process, even if certain members decided to 
> > stop
> >
> > > their participation. The idea is also that the CBS
> > try
> >
> > > to make it sure that in May 2007, in Geneva we
> > should
> >
> > > be able to renew democratly and in transparency 
> > the
> >
> > > CBS for the future, in cooperation with Regional
> > and
> >
> > > Themathic Caucus existing or to be created.
> >
> > > Now that the Civile society thanks to the effort 
> > of
> >
> > > all  is gaining a certain visibility and
> > credibility
> >
> > > we are not going to show our limits to meet the
> >
> > > challenge.
> >
> > > Friendly 
> >
> === message truncated ===
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