[WSIS CS-Plenary] Reporting on final days of prepcomIII - NEED VOLUNTEER MONITORS!

[Tapani Tarvainen]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 05:19:14AM -0400, Rik Panganiban (rikp at earthlink.net) wrote:

> I make another appeal,  
> particularly for those who are observing remotely the Prepcom, for  
> volunteers to share their notes and reports on the sub-committee  
> meetings to this list.

Here're my notes from subcommittee A meeting this morning.
Note this is pretty raw, not proofread in any way, so typos and 
other mistakes are more than likely, caveat reader...

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen
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10:20 subcommittee A plenary

Jeanette Hoffman / IG caucus
	[won't type statements already posted]

Ralf Bendrath / P&S wg & HR caucus

Gender Caucus

Delphine Nana / Afr Caucus

CCBI	

chair	move to section 5

Canada  re Forum
	[reads way too fast to type, but already
	posted to list]

chair	we now have 7 proposals on the forum
	comments?

Russia	we want "doc 5" listed among base document
	good there're UK Arg & Afr prop's in the web
	but where are earlier proposals?
	should be side by side or we'll have asymmetric situation...
	some Room Documents are also missing

Dr Kelly  will add wgig doc 5
	special status for new was temporary and will be removed
	now that we've merged them into DT14-rev

Russia	thank you

Japan	support creation of forum
	not try to deal w/ issues handled by existing inst
	and not perf oversight
	re new models: cont' to consider in the forum
	should base on current model

Brazil	are we discussing only the forum or also followup & oversight

chair	everything in section 5 are under discussion

Brazil	there's Br proposal on forum
	and Iran's on oversight
	EU proposal is close to those
	we'll try to work with EU

India	prefer Iran prop.
	we propose to meet EU deleg. to forge common position

chair	who's "we"?

India	India and Brazil

China	support Iran
	EU proposal has positive elements
	"new model of corp" - what form would that take?
	what's relationship w/ this new model and the forum?

Saudi	Iran's prop. is best
	EU prop. includes positive points
	forum sep. from other mech is not appropriate

Cuba	Iran's prop. best
	EU prop. has good elements...

Argentina  concur w/ China: could EU clarify on the forum
	could est. a working group

chair	this is the working group

South Africa  want a bod w/ oversight function
        support Iran

Barbados 5 key points:
	* stick to Geneva principles
	* any changes proposed should improve eff. functioning of I.
	* don't compromise stab & sec
	* both dev'l and dev'ing countries should have a role
	* involve all stakeh., then we support the forum
	  but it should not get involved in tech aspects

Iran	EU proposal interesting
	want to discuss it in more detail w/ EU
	Argentina does not address our concerns

Norway	we have a dilemma
	agree w/ principles of USA
	stab & sec are primary, multist. & private sect. important
	but recognize democracy problem in current situation
	but welcome EU and Canada proposals
	let's move on from the basis of these prop.

Colombia  like int'l mech for handling public policy issues
	support Iran, EU prop. has positive elements

S'pore	align w/ Norway & Japan
	support est. of forum
	supp. also Arg. & AfrG on the forum
	re oversight: more questions than answers...
	need more discussion on oversight mech.
	good elements in EU and Afr proposals

Russia	wgig has already worked on these issues...
	their report states "there're obstacles to
	the devel of I'net that have to be removed"
	principles exist (para 48)
	let's try to set up criteria (found in existing texts)

Uruguay  Arg. prop. good basis for final solution
	Afr. prop. interesting
	good points in EU prop but some need clarification esp. 63
	we don't want est. new org's

Venezuela  we're optimistic because we trust all deleg's
	are committed to Geneva principles...
	Iran's proposal close to our vision
	also appreciate EU prop.

Bulgaria  ... time to move to implementation...
	[reads too fast to type but already posted separately to list]

[chair announces 5-minute break at 11:22]

[cont' 11:41]

chair   let's  go thru text para by para, should be done in 20 min
	look at DT10 rev 2

	39: text agreed
	39B: agreed
	39C: agreed
	40: agreed
	41: agreed
	42: agreed
	43: agreed
	43B: agreed
	44: agreed
	44B,45,45B,45C:

Uganda	44B different issue than 44, should have diff. number

chair	don't worry we'll renumber when done
	46,47,Alt 47,47B,48,48B,48C,48D,48E

Russia	new 48E: we're not talking about producing beer or coca-cola
	so "other new _information and communication_ technologies"

chair	will insert those two words
	48B has some brackets, will return to those
	49 & 49B

Uruguay  back to 48: there was a suggestion to move some text to 44,
	 what happened to it?

chair	 [missed]

Uruguay	 I withdraw my comment

chair	 3b), 49, 49B, 50, 51
	 note footnote about highlighted text will be discussed w/ part 5

USA	 could you explain what you expect us what to do when you read
	 the paragraph numbers?

chair	 if the para is "clean", I expect all of you to not disagree
	 if there're brackets it means it's subject to further negotiation
	 in paras parked "agreed" I assume full consent or speak now

USA	 OK, but we're seeing some of this language for the first time
	 we assume "agreed" means there's agreement in a drafting group
	 in principle we reserve possibility to come back even on
	 text now "agreed"

UK	 new 45B EU mentioned new text in dg which is not highlighted
	 (presumably editorial issue)

chair	 if minor point raise it now, otherwise bring it to the dg chair

UK	 perhaps we should work with the chair but could read the wording now
	 45B:
	 a) unchanged
	 b) _inclusive_ part in _gov't and international_ orgs
	 c) affordable and open access to content from int'l and govt org
	 d) accessibility to meetings, recognizing issues of cost and loation
	 e) participation of all gov't in addressing to ... issues rel to
	    Int. devel."

chair	please circulate the proposal and send a copy to secretariat
	until then text remains as it is.
	
Brazil	new 44B should be before section 3

Uganda	prefer leaving it as it is now

chair	we'll note this conflicting advise...

Russia	support your working method
	of course we support all countries' right to make reservations
	but we'd prefer not to look at the text every time from the beginning
	we appeal to EU to have less of these proposals that undermine
	compromises that have been achieved

chair	let's avoid unraveling wg's agreed text in plenary if possible
	avoid disrupting er disturbing balance
	we don't have the luxury of more time

UK	agree Russia and chair, not our intention to introduce new wording
	to agreed text but in this case we thought it'd already been
	discussed in the group and that wg's work had not been finished
	but we're willing to withdraw our proposal

chair	let's give applause to EU
	[clapping of hands]

Uruguay  we made a reservation on 48 in dg and we're not satisfied
	with the text here now but to avoid hampering the progress
	we won't make new proposal

chair	chank you, let's go to 49... 50... 51...

Ecuador  49: drafting group led by Canada is continuing work on it
	 today 13:30, right?

chair	 that's right, we'll revisit this later
	 move on to 52-55

Nicaragua / grulag  we withdraw our request of brackets in 52

Ecuador	in grulag could not reach consensus on language on 53
	but we feel it is important to retain protection of privacy and
	personal data
	we want to include reference to right of access to information
	keep the spirit of the para but add 
	", without prejudice to full exercise of the right to access to
	information," after "data" in 2nd line

Russia	we have misgivings about this proposal
	this text doesn't really fit in this paragraph
	and is not necessary

chair	who will have this right to access - governments or individuals?

Ecuador we're all individuals, esp. in info society 
	where much data is in poss. of gov'ts it is important
	that we ensure access to individuals

Brazil	we agreed on Ecuador on citizen's point of view
	but we fear this can be turned upside down 
	to give gov't access to private information...

chair	maybe some search engine will say they have right to 
	private information you want to protect 
	ditto investigation agencies &c

USA	concur w/ Russia and Brazil
	perhaps there's need for further editing

chair	Russia, Ecuador & USA: get together to sort this out
	move on
	54 deleted
	new 55 clean
	new 55B clean, presumably agreed
	part 4

Ghana	we'll meet this afternoon to try to meet consensus
	that's all for now

chair	dg chair told me there're brand new proposals have been made after
	consultations - please consider withdrawing if possible
	on to 57

Nicaragua  re 57 grulag asks if you're organising a dg re our proposal
	not really new just takes elements expressed before

chair	dg will meet 13:30 in this very room

Ghana	note of caution: let's try to resist new text 

chair	58

Switzerland  this new 58 is somewhat confusing, old better
	reintroduce "capacity in a range of areas to Internet
	management at a national level"

chair	where should it be inserted?

Switzerland  we have to discuss this again

chair	the dg will meet in the afternoon
	probably this is doable, doesn't look difficult
	on to 59...
	60... agreed and clean
	61, Alt1 61, Alt2 61

Egypt	we're still conducting shuttle diplomacy...

chair	on to part 5
	we'll have to work on this together
	treating open questions in 3a and 5 as one cluster
	some countries want bilateral cons. w/ EU
	some supported Argentina
	Russia reminded of their own
	so: meet bilaterally, try to meet each other
	just indicate times, we'll allocate room
	Norway can act as mediator if needed
	I would've preferred open-ended meetings
	but I think we need a phased approach
	cannot railroad the process
	so hold your bilateral consultations
	between now and 18 or pref. now and 16
	at some point you should all meet each other
	session suspended for 5 minutes 
	and continue then to announce room allocations
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