[WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [Pr-plan] Frank - let me empower you with the Baptista vortex. (fwd)

Joe Baptista baptista at cynikal.net
Wed Sep 28 13:16:05 BST 2005 

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Gene Marsh wrote:

> Joe, let's be real - the Public-Root REMOVED the Terre Haute server from
> their list several weeks ago.  Frank *then* closed it off.

OK - I understand.  Well I would still ask Frank to kindly turn it on.  As
I mentioned in a prior correspondence on this, Franks F.root server has
been in the public-root for some time now.  That means we can expect many
ISP's who use the static cache file for resolution will still have franks
f.root server listed.

I know Herman Xennt and Paul Scheepers replaced his server with another
f.root out in the eastern block.  However the new server won't have much
in the way of impact on the network for some time.  Franks will still be
used just by virtue that it is still listed in these static cache files.

Thats a critical problem with roots.  No matter how many times you change
the IP number, the old IP number in the cache will still be listed.

> I have been watching this situation closely.  I have been wondering if/when
> they might do the same for the c root server, which I operate.
>
> Of course, I have not intention of ever pulling the plug on that server
> without some appropriate notification, if I ever do.  I must say, they way
> the f server situation has been handled concerns me, though.

Yes I agree.  Very sloppy, very unprofessional behaviour on their part.

regards
joe

Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the
United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593

Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/
Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan


>
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> [mailto:pr-plan-bounces at LAIR.LIONPOST.NET] On Behalf Of Joe Baptista
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:54 PM
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> Cc: alt.wsis at lists.riseup.net; plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [Pr-plan] Frank - let me empower you with the Baptista vortex.
> (fwd)
>
>
> FYI - attached message provides a break away root of the public-root with
> marketing options.  This allows them to intercept all root operations.  If
> they are really fast they can capture turkey and mabe even tiscali.
>
> Lets see what happens.
>
> regards
> joe
>
> Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United
> States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593
>
> Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/
> Public-Root Discussion Forum:
> http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan
>
> ---------- Forwarded message to Boo Boo with luv ;) ----------
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:42:04 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joe Baptista <baptista at cynikal.net>
> To: Frank Corsi <frank at www.alternativetlds.com>
> Cc: mr. E. Verhelst <ev at verhelst-advocaten.nl>,
>      Jordan Kimball <jlkimball at comcast.net>, H.J.M. Smit
> <hjm.smit at chello.nl>,
>      delamar at bluewin.ch, delamar at xs4all.nl, j.lindeman8
> <j.lindeman8 at chello.nl>,
>      frank at alttld.com, marshm at ANYCAST.NET, jandl at jandl.com,
> tallship at gmail.com,
>      richard at aquaria.net, peter at peter-dambier.de,
>      HM Cesidio Tallini <ttf at cyberterra.com>, martijnburger at dataweb.nl,
>      marty.vanveluw at nbaserv.com, cytrax at cyberbunker.com
> Subject: Frank - let me empower you with the Baptista vortex.
>
>
> Frank - it has come to my attention that you have not been meeting your
> committments as the f.public-root operator.  It seems your system is no
> longer resolving.  This causes us at the public-root some problems which are
> contractual.  I would therefore ask that you put f.root back online.
>
> I only ask that you do this as a cortsy to the public-root.  No matter what
> has happened the public-root must continue to resolve.  There is an
> obligation to the users who rely on the root and the stakeholders - being
> the TLD owners.
>
> If you continue this behaviour you are showing disrespect to this people who
> are not involved in our ongoing dispute.
>
> Now the good news is that I will admit to you that you have no obligation
> whatsoever to the public-root.  As a public-root operator you are not under
> contract and you may do as you please.
>
> So why not be creative.  If you must cause damage why not do it the Marty
> van Veluw way and deploy a Baptista vortex solution.  It will be an
> excellent marketing ploy since you can redirect traffic to yourself.  I have
> proven this works - in my ORSC days = I had to close down a root system and
> did so by redirecting traffic from many systems using only one root server
> machine.
>
> Its simple to do.  Simply wildcard the root "*" and make all queries respond
> with an A record which points them to a web server which says - hola and
> welcome to the inclusive root.  This must be a dedicated web server as the
> traffic to it will increase exponetially as people keep clicking to leave
> your web space.
>
> Also remember the system is answering to all names known to the internet
> community.  This will be are to cause major headaches as you break things
> world wide.  But it will drive home a point - what ever point you want to
> make.  A marketers dream, nes pas?
>
> Now if you want to be a responsible community citizen instead and not take
> advantage of this nor jeopardize the users - just turn the f root back on.
>
> Xennt has recently replaced it in the zone file - but that wont fix the
> majority of fixed systems which still rely on that root.
>
> Up to you frank - lets see what your made of.  3 options.  Do nothing, be
> responsible, or marketing interception.
>
> regards
> joe
>
> Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United
> States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593
>
> Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/
> Public-Root Discussion Forum:
> http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Frank Corsi wrote:
> >
> > > To all in this message,
> > >
> > > The Inclusive Root project does have capital, it also has a clean
> > > set of books. With nothing to hide.
> >
> > Frank I did not say you had anything to hide.  I did say you had
> > nothing to offer with respect to viable root service and a plan of action.
> >
> > But as you know if you want to be taken seriously let us start with
> > the statement made by Mr. Verhelst was:
> >
> > 	"Henk (and also Mr. Jos Lindeman) are of course willing to give
> > 	their commitments and contributions to the Inclusive Root. But
> > 	for each party, it has to be clear what role and responsibility
> > 	each will take. No vague promesis, but clear pictures!"
> >
> > So lets start adding some clarity here.  You said above you have capital.
> > How much?
> >
> > You said your books are open.  I agree - the public company you ave
> > listed as applicable to this project is BIZNET Group, Inc. CIK 0001093816.
> >
> > http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings.jsp?symbol=BZNT
> >
> > The last time this company filed with the SEC was in the year 2000.
> > There have been no other filing to date.  Could you please explain the
> > current status of BZNT CIK 0001093816 with the SEC (Security and
> > Exchange Commission).
> >
> > I have repeatedly asked you to put me in touch with the prinicple of
> > BZNT, one Mr. Willis Hale, President of BZNT.  You have refued to do
> > so.  Can you please provide the people on this list with Mr. Hale's
> > conact information so we may verify your claims on our own.
> >
> > > Only 3 weeks in the development of this new root system and we
> > > already have ISP's pointing to our root system. Our goal is to pay
> > > the ISP's to point to our root system. So far we have been successful.
> >
> > Yes Frank.  This is the wrong way to go.  This model was attempted by
> > new.net and of course this attempt failed.  The Public-Root managed to
> > get some of the worlds leading ISP's and a country to participate.
> > WHat are the names of your ISPs.  The ones your paying off.  Maybe it
> > would also be nice if you canprovide some contact details so we can follow
> up on this.
> >
> > In any case paying ISP's to list you is not the way to go.  Certainly
> > you not going to get any governments that way.
> >
> > > Mr Baptista is not part of this project, and that may be the reson
> > > for his bad mouthing our project.
> >
> > No I'm warning people not to waste their time.  Its that simple.  Now
> > if you feel you have something to offer us - then start by answering
> > the question asked of you above.  Questions you never seem to have
> > answers for.
> >
> > And another thing.  You keep dangling this project of yours as if it's
> > some candy bait to fish people in.  Again I stress this is not a root
> > that merits our attention.  The public-root was set up as an open
> > inclusive system.  Inclusive means everyone is welcomed.  But during
> > our brief interaction you made it very clear I was not welcomed which
> > means by default that you are not an inclusive system and as such do
> > not merit any further attention.
> >
> > And inclusive root system frank means what it says.  It is inclusive
> > as a rule - not because King Frank feels like it.
> >
> > > In fact we have the group, the capital and the resources to make
> > > this the leading root system with end users that will be able to see
> > > the tld's within it.
> >
> > Do you have a business plan ready yet.  Again I ask - how much capital
> > do you have TODAY and how do you propose to make it a leading root system.
> > At this time the pulic root is the leading inclusive root.  In less
> > then six months of operation the public-root managed to sign on leading
> ISPs.
> > I say again, Tiscali, Equant and all of turkey.  Thats means we sould
> > the government of Turkey on the idea.
> >
> > How long do you estimate it will take you to accomplish the same?
> >
> > I and Mr. Verhelst are looking forward to a more detailed reply which
> > firms up some numbers an accountant type like me would enjoy crunching.
> >
> > Less talk Frank.  You want to sell us - fine we want the details.  Its
> > your turn now to play show and tell.  You see frank - the bottom line
> > is you dn't have a reputation when it comes to creating and marketing
> > a new root.  I do.  That is why I also say with certainty you do not
> > have the ability to make this a go.
> >
> > But I'm willing to be proved wrong - provided you know how to play
> > show and tell.  Thats the only way were going to be convenced frank -
> > with facts and figures and plans that make sense.  Not nonsense and
> > irrelevant promisses.  Now prove me wrong!  I challenge you.
> >
> > regards
> > joe
> >
> > Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the
> > United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593
> >
> > Public-Root Disclosure Documents:
> > http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/
> > Public-Root Discussion Forum:
> > http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:20:33 -0400 (EDT), Joe Baptista wrote
> > > > I have included in this discussion Corsi, Marsh, Gallegos,
> > > > Thornton, Dambier, and Sexton.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, mr. E. Verhelst wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Again, I support the vision that all good and not infected
> > > > > people should continue with creating a new root. Therefore, I am
> > > > > happy that the
> > > Inclusive
> > > > > Root initiative has been started.
> > > >
> > > > Thats actually a complete waste of time.  I have spoken with Corsi
> > > > at length on his plans to IPO this new root idea he has.  I regret
> > > > to inform that Mr. Corsi has no idea what it is he is doing.  My
> veting of Mr.
> > > > Corsi has only result in the community distancing itself from the
> project.
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Corsi has acted much in the way Xennt did.  Attempting to be
> > > > gatekeeper without really knowing what a gate keeper in this
> > > > business is or is supposed to do.
> > > >
> > > > The bottom line is that the Public-Root is the first root which
> > > > was successful.  That was based on a structure developed by myself
> > > > which made the Public-Root viable to the community.  You can see
> > > > that structure here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/DIAGRAM1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > This was the formula that sold Tiscali, Equant and the Government
> > > > of Turkey.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Together with Henk Smit and Zwier de la Mar, I would like to
> > > > > discuss with Mr. Baptista, Mr. Corsi and you how to create a
> > > > > team that realy can set
> > > up,
> > > > > manage, and make a succes of the Inclusive Root.
> > > >
> > > > I am willing to help you on this.  But I am not available for free.
> > > > Nor do I see Corsi as having any viable ideas to contribute to this
> effort.
> > > > If you want to save yourself some time - my free advise is as
> > > > follows - don't bother.  The inclusive root is a pipe dream and
> > > > will be an uphill battle which i consider unwinnable.
> > > >
> > > > To establish a new root under the circumstances we are seeing
> > > > today requires alot of capital.  If you don't have the capital -
> > > > best you don't play the game.
> > > >
> > > > It would be more prudent for you and Smit to continue putting
> > > > pressure on the public-root for disclosure.  That is the only
> > > > viable root system now operational in which your input can be
> recorded.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Henk (and also Mr. Jos Lindeman) are of course willing to give
> > > > > their commitments and contributions to the Inclusive Root. But
> > > > > for each party,
> > > it
> > > > > has to be clear what role and responsibility each will take. No
> > > > > vague promesis, but clear pictures!
> > > >
> > > > Yes I agree which is why I recommend you save your money on this one.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > joe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, let's make a start with this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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