[WSIS CS-Plenary] Challenging Sub-committee A drafting groups going into closed sessions

Sun Sep 25 21:27:21 BST 2005

Thanks Betrand for clarifying my position and where Values and Ethics come
from. Sorry for involuntarily opening up the wrong debate. I seemed to have
misunderstood the Fri Plenary that the decision had already been made on
what to do after the protest is made. Meanwhile the draft "protest" looks
like it is on the right track. 

Laina

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Dear all,

I would like to make a few points to help this matter go to rest and avoid
it polluting further our working together :
- this process is very demanding and governements attitude is putting us
under additional stress; after a week of extreme pressure, everybody,
including me the other day, is prone to irritation and misunderstanding; 
- Jeanette should be commended for the great job she is doing; everybody now
understands the emotionallly loaded comments she made the other day were on
a personal basis and that it was the result of the deep frustration we all
feel in this present stage; in such situations, wondering whether all this
work is worth it overcomes you in a very powerful way; 
- interaction through online posts are very different from interaction in a
room and they also take everybody witness, leading to snowballing effects
that are detrimental to our desire to cooperate;I hope the plenary monday
morning wil allow this matter to cool down; 
- as for the notion of Ethics and Values raised by Avri, all I can say is
that anybody that interacts with Laina and the other members of this caucus,
could only testify that they are certainly not in the direction of a
morality approach but rather relentlessly promoting harmony and mutual
respect. More a buddist-type philosophy of compassion than a christian right
affirmation of supreme GOD-driven moral principles (just a quick image of
course)  
- finally,  I feel very sad that she has unvoluntarily triggered this whole
debate out of a simple question that we have not in fact really addressed
yet : should we or not make statements in the first five minutes ? Laina's
comments were, if I understand well; mostly focusing on that point, and I
also felt that the show of hands merely reflected our desire to make a
statement and not yet a decision to walk out completely. 

Now the statement is being prepared; it will be presented in Plenary and the
question of using or not the five minutes can be debated quietly.

The week ahead will require delicate strategy decisions and we must prepare
ourselves to discuss them in the greatest spirit of the common interest.

Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow.

Best 

Bertrand

On 9/25/05, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: 

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Hi
I was at the meeting under discussion, and it didn't seem to me at all 
that Jeanette presented her opinion as the IG caucus' opinion.
She said - "this is what happened."  And also  -"I would like to say
in my experience", and "this is my opinion'" and  "I think". 
To me that doesn't in ANY way imply - "this is the IGC position"
So unless I missed something that she said (which I doubt) - to me the
main premise of this objection is moot.

Yes, she has strong views and she is passionate - if she wasn't, I 
doubt she'd be putting in the long and hard hours that are necessary
to get things coordinated for so long.

Jeanette has always been very inclusive and helpful, IMO. When i first
showed up, fresh  from the developing world, first time in Geneva, the 
IG caucus coordinators were very good at explaining the way around,
etc. I have never felt the insider/outsider divide even when I was
very new, and I don't see that much has changed re the way of
operating.

My $0.02

Jacqueline

On 9/25/05, Laina Raveendran Greene <laina at getit.org> wrote:
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> Dear McTim,
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> I guess I am under the impression that a Coordinator works on collecting
the
> inputs of others opinions before making a proposal on behalf of the group,
> as opposedto presenting her opinion as a proposal from the group. It just 
> helps keep the process a little more open, just as Tracy has been
carefully
> doing. "leadership" and "coordination" are two different roles.
>
> It is just a matter of process that helps keep matters "inclusive" and 
> "multistakholder". Beyond that, I have no issues with Jeanette's passion
and
> leadership, am very happy to see someone so involved and concerned about
the
> issues for others.
>
> Regards, 
> Laina
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> On 9/24/05, Laina Raveendran Greene 
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> > I do think that if Jeanette has strong views on this, she should step
> > down
>
> Why would we want someone without strong views as coordinator? 
>
> Jeanette, you have my many thanks for your enourmously important
> contribution.
>
> Ralf, Thanks for your most reasonable .05 (euro?) cents as well.
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