[WSIS CS-Plenary] Just a small clarification

Sun Sep 25 12:45:57 BST 2005

There's no other indication of anyone else experiencing problems with the
governance list and all Laina's other messages to it were received.  In the
absence of information to the contrary, I would have to assume the below was
not properly addressed.

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Laina Raveendran Greene
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:46 PM
> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Just a small clarification
>
>
>
> Sorry for reposting the email below onto plenary list but for
> some reason my
> postings to the governance list are not showing up. Could be a technical
> glitch.
>
> Thanks Avri, Tracey, Betrand and others for coming forth with the right
> spirit which will help us along. Even if we don't get what we want from
> governments, we have a unique oportunity to walking the talk amongst
> ourselves in civil society, which could set the pace for future
> conferences,
> when we can make even greater impacts.
>
> Please therefore see my reposting below which I sent to Avri just
> to clarify
> where I am coming from.
>
> Laina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laina Raveendran Greene [mailto:laina at getit.org]
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: 'Governance Governance Caucus'
> Subject: Sorry Avri if I have given you the wrong impression
>
>
>  Apologies Avri if this appears that I am trying to be difficult
> or speaking
> on behalf of the Ethics group in the comments I post. I am not speaking
> about the statement we put in that we may feel left out about. If
> this does
> not go in so be it, but we hope the spirit of it will. I already notice on
> the governance caucus list, the concept of "trusteeship" in Governance,
> which is what our statement is about has already been discussed.
>
> We have no agenda beyond making the process conducted in the right spirit,
> especially with "inclusiveness" and "multistakeholder". I was merely
> referring to the statement made at Plenary where Jeanette seemed
> to present
> that IG Caucus had made a decision that if we were not allowed in
> the room,
> that we should walk out of the remaining process. I agreed with the spirit
> of what she said, but was not sure we had the right to decide for everyone
> in the room.
>
> Sorry if I misunderstood her and I thank you and Bertrand for clarifying
> things for me. I have no issues with Jeanette and have no agenda. I do not
> also speak for all the members of the caucus except when we work
> together to
> write common statement.
>
> Values and Ethics Caucus stands for very simple principles such
> as ensuring
> process are kept in the right spirit of bringing people together,
> for peace
> and unity. No value judgements will ever be made on our part on subjective
> value issues, and we hold no agendas or issues on any of the things you
> mentioned below. I am sorry if I appeared to be an instrument of division
> when I was trying to be an instrument of peace and as a
> facilitator for the
> smaller voices= to ensure all voices are heared. I was getting concerned
> that the lady from Nepal representing indigenous rights, Kiki on a wheel
> chair, the disabled lady from South Africa, etc were going to be left out
> and suffer hardship for having come here all the way, if we took
> a hardline
> approach to negotiations and we rush so fast that their voices never get
> heared or they get so intimidated by our own Civil Society process.
>
> Avri, I truly have appreciated the spirit of your comments and
> will continue
> to do so. Again, I have no clear views against Jeanette or any others, but
> just want to see the process go through "inclusive" and "multistakeholder"
> as we are asking the governments to do the same.
>
> Thanks Avri and I hope I have clarified that Values and Ethics has no
> political or value judgement positions beyond that of promoting unity and
> ensuring that even the smallest voice does not get left behind.
> Please also
> don't take it we are here to judge anyone's values or ethics and are fully
> aware that value can be a subjective things. We are all very open minded
> spirited people, I believe. We are instead looking at ensure some
> universal
> concepts such as peace and unity at a higher level and in the case of
> Internet Governance= a concept of "trusteeship" and "shared
> responsibility"
> for the Internet generation of today and tomorrow. I hope that
> helps clarify
> where I am coming from.
>
> Thanks,
> Laina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:47 AM
> To: Laina Raveendran Greene
> Cc: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Challenging Sub-committee A drafting groups
> going into closed sessions
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't think anyone has been representing their opinion as the opinion of
> the group.  For over a year now, the co-ordinators of the Gov Caucus have
> been very careful to make sure that we all know that unless it is
> a written
> statement that has been discussed in the caucus, they speak only for
> themselves, which I would agree, they have a right to do.
>
> I think that with only a week to go, this sort of internecine
> conflict will
> only distract us from our real goals - to affect the output of WSIS.  I
> understand that you and your constituencies have some late
> comments that you
> want to get into the governance statements.  And I think you have every
> right to try and get them in, though as one member of the caucus I am not
> sure I understand or agree with it.
>
> I am not a member of the ethics caucus and don't understand, for example,
> how to differentiate between the claims of ethics and advocacy for the
> restriction of content and the abrogation of freedom of
> expression.  ethics
> is always a difficult measure to apply as we all have different ethical
> vantage points.  For example I know that as a bisexual person my very
> existence is considered an ethical affront by many of those who argue for
> ethical standards, and affront on a par with pedophilia.  And
> even though we
> don't not have a GBLT caucus, I worry about accepting any language that
> gives justification to such attitudes.  I tend to think that we are better
> off relying on law when it comes to the issues that many of those who
> support an ethical internet espouse.
>
>
> a.
>
>
> On 25 sep 2005, at 11.16, Laina Raveendran Greene wrote:
>
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> > _______________________________________
> >
> >
> > Dear McTim,
> >
> > I guess I am under the impression that a Coordinator works on
> > collecting the inputs of others opinions before making a proposal on
> > behalf of the group, as opposedto presenting her opinion as a proposal
> > from the group.
> > It just
> > helps keep the process a little more open, just as Tracy has been
> > carefully doing. "leadership" and "coordination" are two different
> > roles.
> >
> > It is just a matter of process that helps keep matters "inclusive" and
> > "multistakholder". Beyond that, I have no issues with Jeanette's
> > passion and leadership, am very happy to see someone so involved and
> > concerned about the issues for others.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Laina
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]
> > On Behalf
> > Of McTim
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:08 AM
> > To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> > Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Challenging Sub-committee A drafting
> > groups going into closed sessions
> >
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> > _______________________________________
> >
> > On 9/24/05, Laina Raveendran Greene
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>
> >> I do think that if Jeanette has strong views on this, she should step
> >> down
> >>
> >
> > Why would we want someone without strong views as coordinator?
> >
> > Jeanette, you have my many thanks for your enourmously important
> > contribution.
> >
> > Ralf, Thanks for your most reasonable .05 (euro?) cents as well.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > nic-hdl:      TMCG
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