[WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking

Fri Sep 3 20:27:06 BST 2004

Dear Martin,

You have me at a disadvantage as I do not speak Spanish, only a few words,
and obviously you appear to be bilingual in order to respond to my post.  If
you only spoke Spanish then we would be a similar situation.

However, I used Babelfish to translate, which I know leaves a lot to be
desired and am responding to the translation I pasted below my signature,
which hopefully is somewhat accurate.

As with many international conferences and meetings including WSIS , most
are conducted in English and some have translation.  While this may not be
representative of the worlds population, it is how things evolved.  Perhaps
this is an area where funds from a private sector organization, dare I say
such as a Microsoft without being stoned, would be acceptable as the value
of the added communication at WSIS II may outweigh any concern about undue
influence, etc. etc.  Just a suggestion.   Assuming of course if there would
be an organization willing to fund translation equipment.

As an aside, I am on the Interactive Media Committee of the DPI/NGO Planning
Committee for the 2004 Annual NGO Conference being held at the UN in NY next
week.  Recognizing the importance of multilingual communication, I made the
recommendation of looking into hooking the website into the translation
equipment/headsets to be able to translate the streaming video, interactive
coverage, and dialogue that will be on the website.  While this had not been
considered before, as technically some bugs still need to be worked out, the
end result was that this is the first year that there is website coverage of
the conference taking place in 3 languages:  English, French and Spanish.
So there is progress in this direction, albeit somewhat slow.  Hopefully
next year, the bugs will have been worked out.

I believe the suggestion has been made previously on the listserv for
multilingual people to volunteer to translate, possibly for  a limited time.
This would be of considerable help until funds could be raised for
translation.

Best regards,

Elizabeth

Dr. Elizabeth Carll
Focal Point to WSIS
International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
Chair Media/ICT Working Group,
NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York
Tel: 1-631-754-2424
Fax: 1-631-754-5032
ecarll at optonline.net

Babel Fish Translation

In English:
<<That good that you can understand it, Elizabeth. The civil society (if it
is that such thing exists) has not been able to prevent that organizacion of
the WSIS considers other languages appropriately in addition to the English.
When my Argentine compatriot Beatriz Busaniche defendio in Geneva its right
to expose in Spanish in first stage of the integral WSIS as of the Civil
Society (I clarify that the Spanish is not a indeed minority language in the
world, although nondeberiamos to discriminate either by mayorias and
minorias), the organization of the WSIS not habia anticipated no form of
translation. Everything was monkey-lingüe, in ingles. A shame for a forum
that says to want to interpret and to regulate the new human forms of
communication, and not even this prepared to handle the diversity of the
traditional forms of communication as the speech.

Serious formidable to have translations for all post, and that each one
writes in its maternal language and all understand in the hers own one, as
your you say. While that does not exist, it does not have why to accept
monocorde "international" english language like the unique option.>>

-----Original Message-----
From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On
Behalf Of Martin Olivera
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:59 AM
To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking

El vie, 03-09-2004 a las 19:21, Elizabeth Carll, PhD escribió:
> Dear Francis,
>
> I can understand how those not fluent in English may feel as on occasion
> there are posts that are in French and other languages which some of us
may
> not be able to read and can imagine how frustrating it would be if these
> were the majority not the minority of posts.  Hopefully, CS will be in a
> position in the future to have translations automatically for all posts.
>
NOTE: This message was left intentionally only in Spanish.
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Que bueno que puedas entenderlo, Elizabeth. La sociedad civil (si es que
tal cosa existe) no ha podido impedir que la organizacion de la WSIS
considere apropiadamente otros lenguajes además del inglés. Cuando mi
compatriota argentina Beatriz Busaniche defendio en Ginebra su derecho a
exponer en español en la primera fase de la WSIS como integrante de la
Sociedad Civil (aclaro que el español no es un idioma precisamente
minoritario en el mundo, aunque no deberiamos discriminar tampoco por
mayorias y minorias), la organización del WSIS no habia previsto ninguna
forma de traducción. Todo era mono-lingüe, en ingles. Una vergüenza para
un foro que dice querer interpretar y reglamentar las nuevas formas de
comunicación humanas, y ni siquiera esta preparado para manejar la
diversidad de las formas tradicionales de comunicación como el habla.

Seria formidable tener traducciones para todos los post, y que cada uno
escriba en su lengua materna y todos entiendan en la suya propia, como
tu dices. Mientras eso no exista, no hay por qué aceptar el monocorde
"international" english language como la opción única.

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> Best regards,
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM
> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
>
>
> Dear Elizabeth
>
> >Dear Francis,
> >
> >Thank you for posting the information.  In reviewing the English version
> >attachments, I noticed the last attachment was in French.  Would it be
> >possible to post the last stocktaking attachment in English?
> >
> The last attachment is the translation by Jean-Louis of an attached
> document in English.
> So you are not loosing any info.
> All other are English-only documents, so you are measuring the gap
> concerning
> linguistic diversity.
> French-only speaking ( and also Spanish-only speaking ) people are
> feeling a little left out
> of this process being done only in English.
> Translation has a cost that ITU could and should afford it.
> Now, concerning Civil Society, it is easy to criticize,
> not all the Civil Society can afford translation, but should make
> it best efforts.
>
> Best regards
>
> Francis
>
> >
> >Thank you for your work on this.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Dr. Elizabeth Carll
> >Focal Point to WSIS
> >International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> >Chair, Media/ICT Working Group,
> >NGO Committee on Mental Health, New York;
> >Tel: 1-631-754-2424
> >Fax: 1-631-754-5032
> >ecarll at optonline.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On
> >Behalf Of Dr. Francis MUGUET
> >Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:28 AM
> >To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> >Subject: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Update stocktaking / MAJ stocktaking
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >Thanks Jean-Louis and Bruno ( both of them ) for their last posts.
> >I noticed those documents concerning this important sotcktaking process
> >which is going on now, only very recently.
> >It seems that the English version of the Stocktaking document has not
> >been submiited
> >to the Plenary list, therefore many people are going to wonder what's
> >going on.
> >Therefore,  you will find attached
> >the related documents in English in the proper open ( albeit
roprietary  )
> >pdf format.
> >The ITU stocktaking grid  or table is the last updated version.
> >
> >Friendly yours
> >
> >Francis
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Chers Amis,
> >
> >Merci Jean-Louis et les deux Bruno pour leurs messages.
> >En plus des documents en Anglais en format pdf,
> >vous trouverez aussi en format pdf , le document que Jean-Louis a eu le
> >courage
> >de traduire, concernant ce processus de "stocktaking"  difficile à
traduire
> >http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/stocktaking
> >disons de "mise en inventaire" ou de "participation à l'inventaire"
> >
> >Cependant, je tiens à signaler que même si le document traduit par
> >Jean-Louis est le plus important conceptuellement,
> >il y a d'autres documents disponibles uniquement en Anglais,
> >surtout une table très longue en Anglais, dont je fournis la mise à jour
> >en attaché.
> >
> >Amicalement
> >
> >Francis
> >
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